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Dietary Factors that Control and Prevent Prostate CancerAn Abridgement of a Talk by Charles A. Reinwald, Esq. at the Man-to-Man Prostate Support Group Jupiter Medical Center, Jupiter Florida December 12, 2001Crystal, thank you for that kind introduction. I should let you know that I'm actually a member of this group. When I'm here in Florida in the winter, I come here and I visit and I get to take advantage of the important information that's given out. I was at a three-day meeting in Virginia in October, the Comprehensive Cancer Care Meeting. It was put on by the Center for Mind-Body Medicine. This is the most important meeting in the United States dealing with complimentary and alternative therapies for cancer. There were 1,200 people there. Senator Tom Harkin was there and many other government officials, plus scientists, doctors, patients and healthcare workers from all over the country. One of the things that was said in one of the main speeches is that if you go to a support group meeting like this you live longer. You feel better, you do better, so if you have to endure my speech, one of the compensations for it is that being here tonight is going to make you healthier. Before I get into my speech, I'd like to give you the results of the questionnaire that was handed out. The reason for the question about 1996 is because that's the first year that PC Spes became available in the United States. As to diagnosis well, 18 were diagnosed after 1996, four before 1996. Now as to getting a second opinion, nine got a second opinion, 13 did not. I personally feel a second opinion is important and I know it may be too late for some of you, but I would urge anybody to get a second opinion before making an important decision on treatment. Particularly because it's not so clear today what the appropriate treatments are. There's really quite a bit of dispute among doctors themselves as to what treatment is best for Prostate Cancer. So a second opinion is important. Now, did any of your doctors mention PC Spes? Two said yes, 20 said no. PC Spes is an important alternative but it's not being told to patients. Are you using PC Spes? Three said yes, 19 said no. It's interesting that only two were told by their doctor, but three are using it. Now, as to any of your doctors recommending a nutritional program, three said yes, 19 said no. That's shocking I think. And it is a reflection on the medical profession. You know, nutrition is very important. It is now recognized that nutrition can be equally effective as medication when dealing with cancer. And with prostate cancer, it could be very effective. If they don't mention it, that's wrong. Now, are you using a nutritional program? Well, eight people said they are, but only three were advised by their doctor to do so. So obviously some people are getting good information elsewhere and they are using nutrition. Fourteen said no, they're not. Let me try tonight to help those people who are not using nutrition to use it. Because I'm going to talk not only about PC Spes, I'm going to talk about nutrition. And I'm going to talk about products that cure cancer the natural way without harming you. And I wanted to expand my talk beyond PC Spes because I'm here to help you, I just don't want to tell you about something you maybe can't use. I want to tell you about things that you can use no matter what treatment you take. Let me tell you a little bit about myself and give you some background to understand what's happened to me. And I've made my medical history known all over the world. I was interviewed by MSNBC.com in January of 2000. And I disclosed my medical records to them, and I did that because I wanted people to have available information that would help them in their treatment. I'm using PC Spes for my treatment. I was diagnosed in March of 2000 with prostate cancer of an advanced type. It was an aggressive type. And I had the dilemma of what to do. I knew about the adverse side effects of cancer treatment. I was particularly sensitive and aware of it because of my wife's having been treated for multiple myeloma the year before I was diagnosed. I knew what was done to her. I knew the bad side effects of treatment for multiple myeloma. One of the most common treatments is high dose chemotherapy, so high that it destroys the immune system. Some patients are hospitalized for months, they're very ill. Sometimes they do the treatment twice. What really distressed me about that is that these patients relapse anyway and in the end they die. Almost all die of the cancer, even after this aggressive chemotherapy treatment. This was one of the main reasons that I started the Cancer Cure Coalition. I wanted to help people, I wanted to cure people, I wanted to help them without hurting them. And as far as my wife is concerned, she's with me tonight. She's the lovely lady in the rear, and I'm sure she doesn't want to be introduced, but she's my love, and my confidant and my companion, and I believe that the work I have done has helped save her life. And she's taking the nutritional program that I developed, that I believe to be the most potent, most powerful, nutritional cancer treatment available in this country. Now, when I was diagnosed with prostate cancer, I had a Gleason score between 6 to 7 and I had a T3C stage. I had cancer that had spread throughout the prostate gland and had gone into the seminal vessel. I had a big problem. I had to balance in my mind the risk to my life against the side effects of treatment because the two doctors I saw here in Florida, a urologist and an oncologist were telling me if I didn't do what they said I probably wouldn't live much more than five years. I decided that I would think about it. I knew that prostate cancer grows slowly, I wanted to study it, I wanted to give some thought to what the alternatives were. So I researched prostate cancer and I found out about PC Spes. I found out about it from Cap Cure, the cancer foundation that Mike Milkin set up, the Association for the Cure of Cancer of the Prostate, commonly called Cap Cure. It mentioned PC Spes in an annual report. It was thought to be somewhat effective and with relatively little toxicity. After doing research on PC Spes, I finally decided that I would try it. The recommendations that had been given to me by the doctors in Florida were chemical castration followed by external beam radiation followed by radioactive seeding. And I thought this would give me side effects that would be significant -- possibly impotence, possibly incontinence, probably damage to the bowel and the area through which the radiation would pass. I knew from the literature that PC Spes would act quickly if it was going to act at all, so I knew that if I tried it I would know within a matter of 60 days whether it was acting on me, whether it was having positive effects. So I knew that if I tried it, if it didn't work, I wasn't at a loss. I could use the treatment that my doctors recommended or something else of a conservative, accepted nature. You can start on PC Spes without seeing a doctor. You can buy PC Spes without a prescription. They will sell it to you. But I certainly don't recommend that you do that. Because this is a medication, this is a powerful medication. It happens to be a collection of eight herbs but it really is a medicine. And so if you're going to take a medicine with that kind of power, and with the possible adverse side effects that PC Spes has, you should be under the care of a doctor, preferably an oncologist and certainly a urologist as well. And so I did that. One doctor, Abraham Mittelman, an oncologist I picked because I saw in the literature, the clinical reports that I had studied that he had done clinical research on PC Spes. He was well familiar with it. He had tested it in his laboratories in the Westchester County Medical Center, along with other doctors. I picked Dr. Aaron Katz, a urologist at Columbia Presbyterian. He is nationally known. He too had studied PC Spes, written reports and knew how to handle it. It's interesting about Katz incidentally. When Katz studied PC Spes, and he said this in his write-up: "I started the study of PC Spes, I did the clinical trials because I wanted to prove it was bunk. I wanted to prove it didn't work and I wanted to prove that people should use conventional treatment." So what happened? After he got through with his research and he tested many of his patients, he found out that it worked. So he couldn't any longer say it didn't work. In his report he said it did work. Dr. Katz uses it on his patients, as many doctors do in this country. They do use it, but they use it after everything else has failed. They won't normally put a patient on it right away. They'll give them other treatment, they'll give them surgery, they'll give them radiation, cryolation, whatever they believe to be best among the conventional and accepted therapies. And then if the patient relapses from those treatments, then they'll use PC Spes. And why do they use PC Spes then? They use it because it does work even on relapsed patients. Now, it is very interesting that they do that and somebody may ask, "Why don't they use PC Spes right away if it's such a good medication? Why don't they use it on the patients so they don't have to give them radiation or surgery or chemotherapy, and they don't have to hurt them?" And you know what these treatments are called by many critics of conventional medicine, they're called cut, burn and poison because that's what those treatments do. Well, I think one reason they don't use it is that most don't have enough information about PC Spes to use it. It's a new treatment, there's no advertising and they're not being told about it by pharmaceutical companies. Also, another possible reason, and its been said by others, is that they don't make much money on it. If you're a surgeon and you've trained 30 years, 40 years to be a first grade urological surgeon and a patient comes in and you can cure him with surgery, it's better for you financially if you do it that way than if you tell him to go try PC Spes from a pharmacy. Incidentally, I don't want you to think I'm all that critical of doctors. Doctors are marvelous and we wouldn't be here, most of us, if we didn't have them. Many of them are practicing medicine under personal sacrifice and also practicing medicine at a risk to their own health. Because when you treat people who are ill, you expose yourself also to illness. But there's another reason they don't do it, and that's because it's considered experimental. If they use it, some of their colleagues, some of their peers will say "What are you doing, doctor? You're using PC Spes. You should be using surgery, you should be using radiation, you should be using conventional treatment." As a matter of fact, if they're in an area where the criticism is strong enough, their hospital privileges may be in jeopardy. Think about that. You can't practice medicine very effectively if they won't let you send patients to a hospital. So there are strong pragmatic reasons why it's not used so much. And there's another reason. It's not covered by insurance. At the Comprehensive Cancer Care meeting in Arlington, Virginia, Dr. Dean Ornish was a featured speaker. He talked an hour and a half. Among the things he said, he told the story about a patient coming in and the doctor said, "I can cure you, I can either operate on you or you can go on a strict diet." And the guy responds, "Well doctor, you better operate on me because Medicare doesn't cover a strict diet." And that's another reason it's not commonly used. Because it costs about $4,000 a year to use PC Spes and it's not covered by insurance. I think there's a sixth reason too. You know doctors don't like to be sued and if you go in and he puts you on PC Spes and it doesn't work, then you might go back to him and say, "Doctor, you put me on PC Spes, you didn't do the right thing, you should have operated on me." So they're concerned about malpractice, about their insurance coverage. I think to go on PC Spes you almost have to go in there and say to the doctor as I did, "Doctor, I'd like to try PC Spes." And then it's not his choice, it's the patient's choice. Well, what has PC Spes done for me? I've given you the handout piece that I used in the meeting of the International Cancer Alliance in February of this year. I was invited by the International Cancer Alliance to speak at their annual prostate cancer symposium. I was one of eight speakers; the other seven were nationally known doctors and scientists. I talked about PC Spes and my experience with it. My speech was videotaped and distributed nationally. In this report I gave the diet that I had worked up at that time. You should study that diet as it is a powerful cancer-fighting diet. Since my speech in February, I have even made that diet stronger. A high PSA level is one of the indications of prostate cancer. If you look at the second to the last page, you will see the results on my PSA level of my taking PC Spes. I had a PSA level in October 1999 of 27, in March 2000 it was 32, in April it was 27 and during that time I was being diagnosed with prostate cancer. I started on PC Spes on May 4, 2000 and I started using about five tablets a day. I was under the care of Dr. Mittelman. I wasn't doing what he told me incidentally. He wanted me to use nine tablets a day but I decided to follow the advice of some other doctors in the literature and use a lower dosage. Well, what did it do? It dropped my PSA down to 23 after one month. Dr. Mittelman said, "You know, Charlie, you should be using nine tablets a day." So I said all right, I'll try using nine. Well, it's not easy to do nine tables of PC Spes a day, and I only succeeded in doing eight. But you know that brought my PSA down to 8.7 and it did it in only one month. I continued with that therapy and in two more months, it had brought my PSA down to .08 so by September 14th, four months after starting on the program, my PSA was down almost to zero. This was strong evidence that my prostate cancer was under control. I stayed on the program. Dr. Mittelman told me, "Don't come back next month, Charlie. Come back in two months." When I came back in November 2000, my PSA was .03. And by January 24, 2001, it was down to point zero. I have continued taking regular PSA tests and on March 30th, it was point zero and on June 19th, it was .02. As recently as November 8, 2001, it was.016. And this is all a result of the PC Spes and the nutritional program that I'm using. Now I have gradually dropped my dosage of PC Spes since March 30, 2001. And you may ask why have you done that. Well I dropped it because PS Spes has some effects that are not so good. It brings your testosterone level down. And my testosterone level was down to almost zero from taking eight tablets a day. I gradually brought my dosage down to seven tablets a day by June. Then to six tablets a day, and now I'm using five tablets a day. My testosterone level is back up to 53 which is higher than it was before. And I have deliberately done that because I wanted my testosterone to be at a more normal level, to be at a level that would permit sexual activity and that would strengthen my cardiovascular system. What are the side effects of PC Spes? Well, the effects I have had are not only from PC Spes. They are from the diet as well, the nutritional program that is described in t he handout piece. If you'll look at the last page of this hand out piece, you'll see my cholesterol level. On October 27, 1999 I had a cholesterol level of 349. That's very high. That's in the high-risk level and I'd had cholesterol readings in that area all my life. My cholesterol has usually run between 300 to 350. I was really, if you measure it by cholesterol levels and maybe even by family history as well, I was a high-risk heart attack patient. So what happened as a result of my health program? On June 8, 2000, my cholesterol level was 225 and it had never been that low before. And incidentally, I'm not only giving statistics. In that package I gave you, medical reports are there from the hospitals. There's a hospital report there of January 24, 2001 from the Jupiter Medical Center and one of November 9, 2001 from the Sound Shore Medical Center in New York. They attest to the information I'm giving you. Somebody might say, "Oh this guy is giving us a story. Where's the proof?" Well, here's the proof that this program is working for me. On July 12, 2001, my cholesterol level was222. On September 14, 2001, it was 202. It has stayed at a level consistently since then between 211 and 218. Even more significant for the coronary vascular risk profile is the CHOL/HDL ratio. My ratio on January 24, 2001 was 3.07. On November 9, 2001 it was 3.2. These are in the reports from the Sound Shore Medical Center and the Jupiter Medical Center. They also give the ratios which indicate coronary vascular heart attack risk. My ratios fall in the risk group that has one-half the risk of coronary heart disease as the average. One-half the risk and this was brought down from the very highest risk. So - what else has PC Spes and my diet done for me? My activity level is up. I work two to three hours longer a day since before I was diagnosed with prostate cancer. I feel better, my energy level is higher, I'm more active and I have a high quality of life. This is remarkable, and this was astounding to me. If you don't think I was surprised by this, you're mistaken. I was thoroughly surprised by the side effects of the program. Dr. Dean Ornish, in his speech in Arlington, Virginia, said similar things. He advocates a lifestyle change, a nutritional change, and he said that this happens to people when they're on his heart attack prevention diet. They feel better; they're more energetic. The blood is flowing better in their bodies. Their bodies are working better. Their minds are working better and it's because of the diet and the lifestyle changes they've adopted. At this cancer care conference, Dr. Dean Ornish was talked about as being a candidate for the Nobel Price for his work in preventing heart attacks and coronary vascular incidents. When I heard his speech in Arlington, I thought to myself, you know what? He's saying the same thing that happened to me and that I've been talking about in the speeches that I've been giving. Now, what are the adverse effects of PC Spes because there are some? I mean, life is not all gravy and this isn't going to be the perfect cure for health. First of all, PC Spes has an estrogenic effect. It reduces your testosterone level. It really does. It brings it down. It brings the male down to the feminine level. Initially when I was on the highest dosage of PC Spes, my testosterone level was down to virtually zero. Now it's back up to 53 because I reduced the dosage. And I did that because testosterone is not a bad thing for a man to have. For a male to have a high testosterone level is actually a sign of good health. And it helps the coronary vascular system, as well and it helps your libido. You're more of a man. You're stronger and you're more virile and you're more sexually active. And it's because of that weakening side effect of PC Spes that I decreased my PC Spes dosage. My goal is to have a dosage that cures cancer but keeps me healthy as a man. This is possibly attainable because you can reduce the dosage gradually down to three a day and that's considered a maintenance dose. That's where I'm headed but I'm going there very slowly because I want to make sure as I do it that my PSA level stays down at the zero or close to it level. I have, I think, covered pretty well what PC Spes does. Incidentally, it's a concoction of eight herbs -- a Chinese traditional medication. The Chinese do it this way. They put herbs together. On my foundation's scientific advisory board I have a doctor of Chinese medicine. Through my foundation we're reaching out to Eastern medicine to help cure people. We want to help them. We don't want to limit ourselves to only the things that the doctor around the corner knows. We use nutrition; we're using advanced treatments. We're advocating for treatments that are still in clinical trial to become available. We want to bring to people the very best medication, the very best treatments and at the lowest cost. I'm not going to go any further. Crystal has asked me to try to confine my speech to about 30 minutes, particularly since she wanted to give the audience the chance to ask questions. Incidentally, when Dr. Ornish spoke at the Arlington conference, he talked for an hour and a half on his lifestyle and nutritional programs. One of the things that he emphasized, and that I certainly emphasize, is that if you're going to fight cancer, if you want to maintain good health, that you should have a nutritional program. You should have a positive cancer-fighting program and you should see a nutritionist. If your doctor can't counsel you in nutrition, you should go to somebody who can. And believe me, while doctors know a lot, they don't know everything. And they usually don't know nutrition. Why don't they know nutrition? Well, they're not taught it in medical school. They go four years to medical school, they intern, they study, they become specialists and in all that time they may have a three-credit course in nutrition and that's it. So they don't know the answers. But they won't tell you they don't know the answers because doctors tend to be proud people. So you really need to go to somebody who knows. Now, I'm not saying all doctors are ignorant about nutrition because some doctors have made an effort to make themselves knowledgeable. For example, Dr. Barry Boyd, one of the doctors in my advisory group, has an MS in nutrition and biochemistry, as well as an MD in medicine. He practices holistic, integrative medicine. Dr. Aaron Katz, my urologist, has hired a nutritionist to work with him and when you go in to see him, he sends you to see his nutritionist to get her advice. Dr. Katz is on my advisory board and his nutritionist, Erica Golliday, is there too. Dr. Mittelman does things like this too. He also does clinical trials and he's done things such as studying biologic response modifiers and PC Spes. He's also studied Chinese medicinal mushrooms that are effective in fighting cancer. I think you have to be involved yourself in your treatment. I've seen many patients -- and unfortunately some of my friends are in this category - that went to a doctor they did everything the doctor said. They never thought to ask him any questions, never thought to see another doctor, never thought to do any research for themselves. They followed the doctor blindly. That's all very nice but doctors are not always right. They can be fallible and doctors don't know everything. I personally think that's the wrong way to do it. I think the patient gets the best results if he talks with the doctor, if he consults with the doctor, if he exchanges ideas with the doctor and if he sees other people too who could help him with his treatment. That's the best way to do it. Be there. Help the doctor. Work with the doctor. And demand from him personalized attention. Do you know what's the average time a doctor spends with a patient during a visit in this country today? The answer has been studied. The answer is seven minutes. Seven minutes. Well you know what? For a lot of people, for a lot of illnesses, that's not enough. You need more personalized attention. You know, Moses Maimonides was one of the greatest doctors in the history of mankind. He was a Jewish philosopher of the Middle Ages. He was the physician to Saladin, the great military leader, and he was the greatest doctor in Egypt during his day. Maimonides said, "You should treat the patient, not the illness." The patient should get personalized attention from the doctor. And that's one reason some people have gone to alternative practitioners for care. I'm going to stop here now. Incidentally I would just add one thought to you. When you look at the nutritional program that I've given you, the advisory program, you might say to yourself, well, who can do this? This is not so easy. And patients, when they're diagnosed with prostate cancer, they're afraid for their life and they do things very conscientiously, and then they slip away and don't do them anymore because it's hard work. And the program is hard work. But you know what the benefit of this program is, and why you should do it? It isn't that it will save your life and make you live longer. It's that it'll make you healthier, you'll be happier, you'll live better, you'll have more joy of life, and that's why you should do it. And I'm going to stop now, and I wish you all the very best of health and the joy of life. Questions I understand that your Gleason score was very high. Absolutely. My Gleason score was 6 1/2. My stage was T3C. The biopsy showed cancer throughout the prostate gland. It wasn't just segmented. It was throughout the gland. And it was also diagnosed as being in the seminal vessel as well. Now how do you know that you don't still have cancer? That's a good question. Certainly a follow-up biopsy might be in order, but I will tell you this. I saw Dr. Michael Jacobs, who's a well-known urologist here in Palm Beach County. He's a board certified urologist. I followed up with him last year to see what the state of my prostate gland was and he gave me the typical examination. He said, "You have a very small prostate gland." I didn't have a small prostate gland before. The PC Spes and the nutritional program have not only reduced my PSA score, they have reduced the size of my prostate gland. And I have no urological problems. Now as to going forward with a biopsy, well that is a very serious thing. That's an invasive procedure and my doctors have not recommended that for me at this time. I think down the road, if I ever considered stopping PC Spes, I might want to consider a biopsy. If you're on PC Spes, you'll probably be on it for the rest of your life. What's the right dosage and the right combination of herbs? The herbs are being produced by Botanic Lab. They claim they are purified and that the production is carefully controlled. They're the only producer of PC Spes. I personally think that there may be good reason to produce a competitive product, an improved product, and my foundation is studying that now. We think we could come forward with an even better program for the patient that will have more of an anti-angiogenic effect, the effect of cutting off the blood supply to tumors. That's an effective way of approaching the cure of cancer, not only prostate cancer, but a lot of cancers. But the scientists and the doctors do not know how PC Spes works. Think of it for a minute. Each herb that they're utilizing is a complex compound. Each herb is a complex of many hundreds of chemicals and they're using eight herbs. So they're using a treatment that has basically only been proven by its pragmatic effect. The actual results on human beings. PC Spes has only been used in this country since 1996, but they're drawing on the experience of a thousand years of Chinese medicine. And incidentally, the doctors readily admit they don't know what the right dosage is. For example, when I was in Arlington I went to hear Dr. Sophie Chen who is the biochemist who helped bring this program to the United States. She didn't invent it. It was brought to her attention by Dr. Allan Wang. And do you know where he got it? From his great grandfather, who was the doctor to the last Emperor of China. And Wang's great grandfather prepared this concoction that ultimately became PC Spes. Wang's great grandfather had a concoction of seven herbs. What Sophie Chen did was add saw palmetto and she marketed the product. So the real discoverer of PC Spes was Allan Wang's great grandfather. This is really a traditional Chinese medicine. Nobody knows for sure what the right dosage is. Dr. Mittelman and Doctor Chen have discussed this. The issue as to the appropriate dosage is in dispute. I have been following Dr. Middleman's advice, but I've been also using my own judgment to some degree. Should a patient on PC Spes use some kind of a blood thinner? That's a disputed area. I'm glad you brought that up. That's a very astute question on your part. One of the adverse side effects of PC Spes is there's a risk of thrombosis, particularly in the legs. A blood clot. What is the risk of thrombosis for PC Spes patients? The exact percentage is not known, but it's probably 2% or better. Now is this due to PC Spes? Probably. But it's not clear. Because cancer patients, prostate cancer patients, have an increased risk of thrombosis. If you didn't take PC Spes, if you're a prostate cancer patient, you have a higher risk of thrombosis than somebody who doesn't have prostate cancer. I knew there was this risk when I undertook this program and there was a choice of taking this 2% chance of thrombosis, maybe 2 1/2 %, or taking the known, almost certain risk of the adverse side effects of the other treatments. And I decided I would take that gamble. What can be done to prevent and reduce the risk of thrombosis? Some doctors will prescribe coumadin to do that. Dr. Mittelman, my oncologist, does not do that. Dr. Katz does it on occasion. I don't think he does it routinely, I don't think he does it until a patient is experiencing thrombosis, and then he'll prescribe it. And I think that's the correct way for a doctor to approach the problem. I think that because coumadin is a very powerful medication and I don't think you should undertake coumadin lightly. Certainly what I would recommend for a cancer patient taking PC Spes is that they have a daily walking regimen. I think that they should do things that improve their circulation. They should take Vitamin E, they should take Vitamin C, they should do things that promote general body health. I take 800 IUs of Vitamin E, which is a blood thinner, and I think that's the way to approach this. But you want to be on guard, and you want to be watching to see if you're developing any tendency toward thrombosis. If you are, you should bring it to the attention of your doctor, and at that point, coumadin is certainly a recourse. I have a label from a PC Spes bottle that lists the ingredients of PC Spes. There are two well- known natural vitamin companies and they've just recently come out with similar products. In each instance, they list exactly what is in that particular bottle. When you match it with the PC Spes bottle, it's exactly the same. I'd like to see that because I'm not familiar with that. I don't have it here with me. Can you xerox it for me? I'd be glad to. The price of the product is considerably less than PC Spes, and I was wondering what your opinion was of this product, and apparently you don't know anything about it. I'm not familiar with it, and I would tell you this. PC Spes is expensive. The list price for a bottle of PC Spes is $108.00. But PC Spes can be bought at a discount. I've bought it at $98.00 a bottle. I'm using, as you know, five tablets a day and the cost is about $250.00 a month. There's 60 tablets in a bottle so I'm using 2 1/2 bottles a month. I am aware of a discount place out in California where you can get PC Spes if you buy in quantity for about $85 a bottle. I'd be happy to show the ad to you. Well, I'd like to see it. If you can get me it, I'd surely appreciate it and I'll look into it. Incidentally, before I conclude this, I think that PC Spes sets a high price for this product. I don't know what their cost is, but they're holding the price up high. People should be helped. Thank you sir. Do you know where I can find a holistic doctor in Florida? I'm going to refer you to the Life Extension Foundation. I suggest you contact them and they may be able to give you some advice on this. You want to be careful, however, when you select a holistic doctor that you get a good one. Just like you want to be careful when you select a doctor in any specialty field. You know in Arlington, in one of the major talks the speaker said "There's been a change in the view of holistic practitioners of medicine." He said, "Back in the 1800s all such treatments were called quackery and a doctor who did alternative medicine was called a 'quack'". And then he said that later they received some recognition of merit and they weren't called 'quacks' anymore. They were called doctors who were using questionable methods of practice. And in the next stage as alternative treatments started to prove themselves, they said they're not using questionable methods of practice, but they're practicing alternative medicine. What they do now is they call it holistic medicine or integrative medicine, and you know why they changed the terminology? Because now they know that the integrative approach is the better approach. Back in August of this year I got a phone call from the American Cancer Society, from their liaison officer, Mark Rubin. He said, "We want to meet with you and talk with you about your foundation." And I had just set up this foundation in September of 2000. I said, "I'd be glad to meet with you." He said, "We want to fly three of our executives up from Atlanta, Georgia to see you. We're flying up Dr. Harmon Eyre, our chief medical officer, and we're flying up our executive director Michael Mitchell and I'm coming up too, and we'd like to meet you. Mathias Bowman, president of a Merrill Lynch company, M.L. Ventures, is going to host the event." I said, "Well, surely you'll want to see a broadway show or something else. You wouldn't come up to here just to see me." He said, "No, they want to see you." I was stunned. The American Cancer Society is a billion dollar organization and my foundation is a start up. So what did I do? I brought my vice president in from Ohio and I had Dr. Noah Kauff of Sloan Kettering, a member of our scientific advisory board, who is a research scientist on the genetic causes of cancer and an outstanding scientist, come and the three of us met with three of the top executives from the American Cancer Society. We met for two and a half hours at the Financial Center right next to the World Trade Center in Manhattan. And after the meeting was over, they said, "We would like to collaborate with you." PC Spes? Is that considered hormonal? It definitely has an estrogenic effect. It has a hormonal effect, a feminizing effect. It has much the same effect as a chemical castration. But it doesn't have the same adverse side effects as chemical castration. With the male, with prostate cancer, years ago one of the standard treatments was surgical castration. They still do that. If a patient's cancer has matasticized and he's really in danger of losing his life, it's an accepted treatment. Chemical castration has much the same effect as surgical castration. It neuterizes the male and the patients suffer from that. They have a loss of strength. They have hot flashes. They don't feel well and their general qualify of health is hurt by the significant effects of the castration. Does PC Spes do that? Not really. The male does not feel weak, he doesn't get hot flashes, and the effect is gradual. You can see from the handout piece I gave out that PC Spes gradually brings down the testosterone level but the patient does not suffer as much as from chemical castration. It's not as severe and it's not as much of a shock to the system. Also, with PC Spes, you can change the dosage. And you can moderate the effect and you can also reverse the effect if you choose to do that. Do you take all the pills on your list? No, I don't. In the handout piece I've shown exactly what I take in one column and in the other what I'm supposed to take. I usually take about 80% of the target, but I try to take all of the most important ingredients. If you can do it, it is advisable to take the full nutritional program. Shortly afterward, the meeting concluded. |
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